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**roseinnose** Thu Mar 05, 2015 3:23 pm

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making song tone in latest Ultrastar editor

roseinnose Thu Mar 05, 2015 3:23 pm

I've checked all tutorials here and in Google but all of them are with old version of Yass. well, I tried to work on the older version but it keeps on crashing.

Anyway, I need to know how to figure out the matching tone in latest Ultrastar editor with the song??

I spend around 6 house doing that and the result was hopeless. I came to notice how much effort it takes to create one song.. ALL song makers you're genius.

It's my first time creating a song but I'm looking forward to create my own song and share it with everyone.

as far as I know, I think, if I convert txt file (of the lyrics) into MIDI, my job would be a lot easier.. but all programs shared are compatible with only 32 system.

another question, how to fix the video gap ?? my song start before the video!!

here is my song so far without toning ^^"

http://www.mediafire.com/download/g51pmbaxxkcba25/Yamashita+Tomohisa+-+ERO+-2012+version.zip

I really appreciate any help Like a Star @ heaven

**WingXero** Thu Mar 05, 2015 5:26 pm

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WingXero Thu Mar 05, 2015 5:26 pm

roseinnose wrote:I've checked all tutorials here and in Google but all of them are with old version of Yass. well, I tried to work on the older version but it keeps on crashing.

I think if you apply the tutorials with the latest Yass version it should work
(maybe it's a little different, but mostly should be made the same way).

roseinnose wrote:Anyway, I need to know how to figure out the matching tone in latest Ultrastar editor with the song??

I spend around 6 house doing that and the result was hopeless. I came to notice how much effort it takes to create one song.. ALL song makers you're genius.

It's my first time creating a song but I'm looking forward to create my own song and share it with everyone.

Yes, without a midi file (that give you the tones if it is good made, not all midi file are good),
it's hard to do a song an have the right tone. I did it for one song, it took me a lot of days to do it.
And it was an easy song, quite repetitive.

roseinnose wrote:as far as I know, I think, if I convert txt file (of the lyrics) into MIDI, my job would be a lot easier.. but all programs shared are compatible with only 32 system.

Huh, no you must find a midi file on the net, then listen if it have the melody of the lyrics in it.
Then, when creating a new song with Yass, chose the right track (the one with the lyrics melody/vocals), and do all the rest.
Yass will convert the melody into a txt file Wink

You'll just have to put the lyrics on the good place.
(Well in short xD)

roseinnose wrote:another question, how to fix the video gap ?? my song start before the video!!

here is my song so far without toning ^^"

http://www.mediafire.com/download/g51pmbaxxkcba25/Yamashita+Tomohisa+-+ERO+-2012+version.zip

I really appreciate any help

Personnaly I try always to extract the music from the video
(there are a lot of programs that can do that or online website).
So my video and song always match Wink

For the video gap, I think you can put it with Yass, if not you have to put an
#VIDEOGAP:x,yyy in your .txt file. (x seconds, y millisecond if I'm not wrong).

Try to look what is the difference in time between your video and mp3 Wink

Edit : I took a look, it's around 12 seconds, so you should add #VIDEOGAP:12
(take a look and see if it's more 11,9 or 12,1 Wink

) to your .txt file

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**Fawe Denoir** Fri Mar 06, 2015 4:03 am

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Fawe Denoir Fri Mar 06, 2015 4:03 am

As WingXero said,

If you are lucky enough to find a MIDI, this will be converted to a .txt file in Yass.

You do not go from .txt to MIDI Wink

You can, however, create your own MIDI files, which is something I do sometimes to go faster.

If you have a electronic piano or are a decent singer, you can record yourself doing the melody of the song (DO NOT sing it, instead, do 'pa pa pa pa'). Once you have such a file, you can use programs to convert an mp3 to a MIDI.

From there you have created a MIDI to use in Ultrastar. (you will have to clean up your midi and adjust notes).

I was actually thinking of redoing a tutorial on a more recent version of Yass. Guess there is still interest for it.

Setting the tones is the hardest part, not everybody can tell what note is being sung from a melody.

My suggestion is that you play around with the piano in Yass or create some songs without tones for now. We have some songmakers here who do 'freestyle' songs. This means they create the .txt file with the words at the right spot, but do not put tones.

Don't worry, my first song took HOURS!

But every snog after that will go faster.

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**roseinnose** Mon Mar 09, 2015 6:06 am

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roseinnose Mon Mar 09, 2015 6:06 am

I tried to make the tone matching as possible but after testing in Ultrastar.. either it's too low or high. Even if it was correct, the line dons't continue or breaks in the middle
.. like this

making song tone in latest Ultrastar editor Ss11

making song tone in latest Ultrastar editor Ss11

I guess I need to know how to use the piano keys.. should I work with only 12 keys as in the tutorial shared here or what. Because even after doing that, still it is not working after testing..

Is there a way or program like Yass where I can sing the tones so that tones are applied and configured accordingly. The singer dosn't have THAT beautiful voice.. anyone can sing it.

I feel like giving up already Sad

**WingXero** Mon Mar 09, 2015 6:11 am

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WingXero Mon Mar 09, 2015 6:11 am

Can you send back a link (or edit the previous one) with your song so far done ?

I'll take a look, but can't promise anything.

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**roseinnose** Mon Mar 09, 2015 8:31 am

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roseinnose Mon Mar 09, 2015 8:31 am

http://www.mediafire.com/download/th41xmicuyjv13l/Yamapi-+Ero+2012.zip

only the first five lines are done ^^

appreciate your help //

**WingXero** Mon Mar 09, 2015 10:36 am

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WingXero Mon Mar 09, 2015 10:36 am

Okay, I took a look and what I can say is that your song isn't fully synch
(there are lines that doesn't match the time when the word is said).

I can give you others tips :

> Personnaly, I try to shorten each bars (line) as much as possible, so that when singing you
have the time to breath or pronounce the whole word / syllab.

You did it quite well, but I saw that some line can still be shortened by one or two beat.
It's not much a great difference, in real time it's ~1/4 second ^^, so it's not very important.
Like when you have some word with the "schi" sound, I don't begin at "s" but "h", that's where
the tone really begin.
(Don't know if you understand)

I don't know how the others songmakers do, but I do it like so, I find it important.

> Always make a bar (line) for each sound / syllab.
So for this : "TERA TERA TORO TORO tokete yukunda"
It must be splitted like so "Te-ra Te-ra To-ro To-ro to-ke-te yu-ku-n-da"

> Another thing, cut your sentences clown

"Dakishimete motto tsuyoku nani mo kamo wasurete shimaitaikara"
Cut it like this
"Dakishimete motto
tsuyoku nani mo kamo
wasurete shimaitaikara"
or
"Dakishimete motto
tsuyoku
nani mo kamo
wasurete shimaitaitakara"

If you don't do that, can't see the lenght of the bars/lines in Ultrastar xD
Or can't read the sentence 'cause the words are miniaturized
(Not everyone have an 40°, 36°, 32° wide screen >_< on my 24° wide screen I can still read it
but you must look closer on the screen, so think for people with 17° wide screen >_<)

> As for japanese, be aware for some pronunciation/spelling.

In romaji we written "jibun", it will be pronounced as ji-bu-n (the n is like pronounced "nnn")
Like in your song you have yu-ku-n-da.
Well it's up to you to see if you split it like yu-kun-da or yu-ku-n-da, cause sometimes the "n" is
pronounced very shortly (it will depend on the song, and the lenght of the intonation on it)

I once got a song where this singer sing susunde like so : Su-su-nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn-deeeee
So it was important to make a different line for this sound Wink

Others words : "datte" and "motto", the double "t" indicate that the sound of the letter "a" in datte ("o" for motto)
is a long sound (or pronounced twice). When said, you said it like da-a-te (mo-o-to).
So you'll have to adjust your line for it on Yass to Wink

I do it like so Mo-~-tto (so everyone understand that the "o" must be said again)

Once again, it's up to you to see Wink

It will depend on the song.

When you begin with other asian language, maybe take a look of how did the others
for the spelling.

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Hope I didn't annoy you with all this ^^

Well, if you will I can adjust the song for you.
I'll leave the tone for you, 'cause I'm bad at it ^^ and it seems you are good at it.

At the moment I'm adjusting a song, after this one I'll do yours (I think tomorrow it will be done).

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**roseinnose** Mon Mar 09, 2015 12:03 pm

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roseinnose Mon Mar 09, 2015 12:03 pm

>Actually, it was originally like that but then had to change it. I thought since Tera Tera Toro Toro part is having the same tone, I should keep them joined.
for yukunda, I looked to other Japanese songs and I found like ( ~ nda). Besides, when the tone didn't work for me, I had to join them

>but why, isn't supposed to be separated by syllab!! now I'm more confused

I'm learning Japanese and I can read and write without a problem for some extent, that's why I wanted to sing more Japanese songs which recently are rarely made in this community compared to Korean ones.

yes, I looked to other Asian songs specially Japanese ones. but I guess having many syllab in one page would make it difficult for toning and singing like what hapened with me in the (dakishimete motto tsuyoku nani mo kamo wasurete shimaitai kara ) page.

>oh come one, I don't think my toning is close to being good Shocked

did you try singing the first five lines?? did it match the bars? mine didn't!!

Are you sure?? oh thank you.. do you want me to match the song with the lyrics then you can fix them for me?? I can do that.. since I don't want to be a burden >.<

thank you for the tips.. I'll keep them in mind Wink

I really put a lot of effort in this song and don't wanna lose it~ fighting cheers

**WingXero** Mon Mar 09, 2015 12:47 pm

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WingXero Mon Mar 09, 2015 12:47 pm

> It's better that you separate each syllab, even if they have the same tone Wink

'Cause when you say "TORO", the "r" will create a gap in your line while singing, and also for
people who don't know the song, they can easly see the lenght of each syllab.

When I sing I look often to the lenght of the line, to see if I must sing this or that syllab longer.
For "TORO" per example, how can I know if I must sing it "Tooooo-ro" or "To-roooooo" if you don't separate those ?

> The five first line seemed good to me, just somes line I couldn't get, but 'cause I don't know the song
(I listened two/three time before singing) I can't say wich part I did put the good intonation or not xD
So I can't really say if it's pretty goor or not. Fawe should help you more about it.

> Yeah, I'd like to ask if you can sing all the song you know very good.

I downloaded songs that I know pretty well, I feel like have the good rythm and intonation and sadly
I can't match the bars. But my sisters does ... so sometimes there are song that I can't sing ...
Not that the song is badly done, but 'cause I can't reach that intonation (it's too high or to low for me to reach).

I'm having trouble making two songs at the moment, cause it seems that it's voices that I can't reproduce :/

That's why it's difficult to make a song, and certainly without a midi to give you the tones.

I'll help you as much as I can with this song Smile

It's no trouble that I adjust the line, I'm quite used now Wink

Edit :

Like you, I'm a little bit disapointed that there aren't more "other" asian songs than Korean & Japanese
It's true that there's a lot more people interresting in korean, but there's still a lot of people that
does make and like japanese songs.

But when you see Chinese, Indian, Persian etc. songs ... it's for some of them nihil (nothing).
Personnaly, when I'm done with all my no-asian wish list, I'll concentrate on Chinese songs
(and sometime I'll make Japanese songs).

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**Fawe Denoir** Mon Mar 09, 2015 2:01 pm

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Fawe Denoir Mon Mar 09, 2015 2:01 pm

Yep, I second everything WingXero said Smile

In fact, I know there are many songmakers here (Prom and myself included) that always separate sounds, even within words!

To me its especially relevant for the sounds like "P", "S" "T" and more. If you are singing "Happy" there will actually be a gap in your voice between "ha-" and "-ppy"! So I make sure to always leave room for breath and syllable adjustment Smile

One thing I'll add, make sure to keep your last syllable AWAY from the vertical bar (this is the moment when one page skips to the next).

If you are working in 200 bpm, always leave 2 bars empty, if you are working with 300 bpm, leave 3 bars empty (and so on).

This way, you are not still singing the previous line when the new page starts. Yes, this means that sometimes your last note will be incredibly small (or even non-existent) but to me that's always better then being cut off (and then you can't see if you made points!)

You can, in fact, make your own MIDIs, which is what I do from time to time Smile

I'll be doing a tutorial at the Made in Asia convention on this method, and maybe I should ask someone to record and post it (instead of having to do it again in front of my computer)... scratch

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**WingXero** Tue Mar 10, 2015 7:23 am

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WingXero Tue Mar 10, 2015 7:23 am

Here is how I would put the line :

Spoiler:

I added the videogap.

I didn't put a specific line for the "n" sound but instead a long gap between so you can sing it.
But find it interesting to put a bar/line for it, certainly for the "so-nnnnnnnnnn-naaaaaaa"
but there's also "mi-nn-na", "yu-ku-n-da", ... (well you'll have to see how you prefer).

For the "Wow", I think it's more "Ou-oh-oh" than "wo-oh", you'll have to add a line for the first sound, I think.

You will see I added some new line for some sound like "Mo-~-tto", "So-~ Hot-~-~-~",
"Shi-na-se-te-~-~". (There where for me a little change of intonation in these long syllabs)

For the rest, I've adjusted the pitch of the whole song (I saw you did it only for the first few
sentences, before I knew it I did the whole song xD).

I didn't do anything with the tone, sang it again today, yeah now it appears to me that you'll have
a lot of work to do for the tone.
Now that I know the song, I couldn't reach a lot of lines/bars, don't know if it's bad or not, I'm not
a specialist in toning but if you want I'll help you with it.
(I'll sing it, and say where I think the bars/line should be higher or lower).

Cheer up ! cheers

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**roseinnose** Tue Mar 10, 2015 8:38 am

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roseinnose Tue Mar 10, 2015 8:38 am

WOW

you did a lot a work... thank you
I see what you mean.. I'll have a look at it as soon as I'm free..yatta ~ can't wait
First, I'll do toning for first half then ask you to test it for me>> I'm sure after the work you did, you'll be able to sing it very well.. I'll do my best.. cheers

thank you again very much..
it was my first song to try but I would love to Yamapi's songs one day Wink

will keep you updated ^^

**roseinnose** Sat Mar 14, 2015 5:44 pm

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roseinnose Sat Mar 14, 2015 5:44 pm

Spoiler:

can you please check till (tera tera toro toro tokete yukunda)

I think something is wrong with my Mic .. Suspect

I don't know.. I had the same problem as before; there is still gabs within bars..

I don't think I'm able to continue.. Even though the tone is not matching at all, it still works with ultrastar. And when it's matching, it doesn't...whyyyy
do I have to work backwards confused

I'll continue when I'm sure how to use the piano in the latest Yass.
because the division of notes in the latest Yass is different than the older version.

if you were to redo it?? wanna know which piano notes are to be chosen for this song!!
maybe the song is not for my level Crying or Very sad

**WingXero** Sat Mar 14, 2015 7:23 pm

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WingXero Sat Mar 14, 2015 7:23 pm

I can't answer for the Piano, I'm still on Yass 1.4, I'll let Fawe tell you which is better.

For the MIC problems, maybe you have a problem of latency, you must check that.
Have you that with all the song you sing or only this one ? (if all songs, than it can be that)

I don't know if that's the problem. (It seems to me)

I had that too, for me the problem came from the different Soundcard I'm using.
7 or 8 in total when using all 4 microphones 'cause there's only one MIC jack on the computer so I use
USB soundcards with my microphones so we can sing with 4 simultaneously.

I don't know for you and how you work with your computer, well in short I disabled all the
sound device I didn't used

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making song tone in latest Ultrastar editor Sound_10

Dualpix is the one of my webcam, Mic at rear/front panel the ones from the basic soundcard you
have with your motherboard (mostly realtek), and the one of my added soundcard so only
the MIC I use works (and all others are disable). Did the same for the playback, only the soundcard
that emit the music is enable. It helped a little bit.

But that help only for people that have more than one soundcard.

I did another thing to take away the latency, but don't remember where I did that, maybe
look on google and tip something like "No microphone record latency on windows 7"
something like that.

But did the same on the computer of my mother and didn't worked (some poor laptop, not
powerfull so couldn't take the latency away :/, so if that's the case, can't help you).

If that's not the problem, I'll look where could be the problem.

PS: Playback (hear what your saying in your microphone) latency is mostly impossible on computer since Vista (no problem on XP normally).
Don't know why. So the only manner to have a direct playback singing while singing.
(Nothing to do with the record, so the computer capture instantly what you're singing, but emit
it in playback with latency).

The only manner to prevent that are a mix table or some USB audio device for computer that
are very expensive ... (like for 2 Micro you pay 200€ (180$) and a lot more for more microphones).

Don't know if anyone did find a way to resolve that. (But I couldn't do anything on mine).

PS2 : Be aware you'll have to enable what your disabled when you must use it for other application. (like the cam microphone for Skype and so).

PS3 : Still gaming on it

PS4 : Still not enough game to buy it, will wait the PS5

PS5 : Ok I'll stop xD

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